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		<title>Deliberating or quarrelling? Final draft of my thesis.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 14:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After a long and arduous process, the work on my master&#8217;s thesis is finally nearing the end. Here is a slightly adapted version of the introduction, and a link to the  print ready version (PDF). Some of the inspiration for my thesis comes from an article in the student newspaper in Trondheim, Under Dusken, and similar comments [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After a long and arduous process, the work on my master&#8217;s thesis is finally nearing the end. Here is a slightly adapted version of the introduction, and a link to the  <a href="http://polemarchus.net/files/2010/11/Deliberating-or-quarrelling-finished-thesis-Polemarchus.pdf">print ready version</a> (PDF).</p>
<p>Some of the inspiration for my thesis comes from an <a href="http://www.underdusken.no/nyhet/2005/15/4527/professor+kritisk+til+studenttingsvalget:+%E2%80%93+utydelige+p%C3%A5+m%C3%A5l+og+midler">article in the student newspaper in Trondheim</a>, Under Dusken, and similar comments over the following years. Political science professor Anders Todal Jenssen insisted that the student democracy in Trondheim lacked legitimacy because of the low voter turnout and that the introduction of political parties would be the solution to this problem. Binding platforms would make student politicians accountable to the voters and increase support for democracy. As a student representative myself at the time, I was provoked. We were proud of the lack of polarization within the student democracy and, although I didn’t know the term at the time, the level of deliberation. This started me on the quest for an alternative to Professor Todal Jenssen’s strong belief in the salience of political parties.</p>
<p>Democracy does of course seem unthinkable without political parties. Almost every democracy is dominated by a system of organized factions that structure, educate and drive the political process forwards. The necessity for such a system is no longer seriously questioned in political science. I do not believe, however, that any institution should be beyond question. Even if we have no intention to get rid of political parties, we should strive to understand the effect they have on democracy. As I will show in this thesis, one such effect may be reducing open and free deliberation among decision-makers. This may be a cost we are willing to pay, but not a cost we should pay without knowing its size.<span id="more-503"></span> Deliberation should not be considered merely as a normative ideal for democracy, but also a descriptive model for understanding the workings of democracy. The amount and quality of deliberation may explain political decisions and outcomes that aggregative models do not. This should make deliberation a topic of interest even if one does not accept its normative justification.</p>
<p>Institutions influence the way democracy works. If deliberation is an important characteristic of democracy, we should take interest in how institutional design affects deliberation. There has been some research on this, but political parties, integral to almost all modern democracies, seem to have been neglected in this respect. I will show that there are sufficient theoretical reservations about their effect on deliberation that this should be a topic of proper empirical testing. To test the relationship between political parties and deliberation empirically, we need an approach for measuring deliberation. We should have a method with a theoretically sound basis, that measures what we want it to, and that is acceptable within the wider sphere of political science (a discipline that is both theoretically and empirically oriented).</p>
<p>I will examine various proposals for examining the amount and quality of deliberation and consider their respective strengths and weaknesses. The <a href="http://www.poli-sci.utah.edu/~burbank/steenbergen2003.pdf">Discourse Quality Index</a> seems to be the most promising such method in use today. I have tested the utility of the method for addressing whether political parties weaken deliberation in a political system. To do this I applied the method to two democratic bodies: the student parliaments of the universities in Trondheim and Oslo, Norway. Due to a limited amount of data I did not get significant results concerning the question itself, but I have collected practical experiences and new insight into the method and its applicability.</p>
<p>Quickly summarized, I find in my thesis that there seems to be sufficient theoretical grounds to support the assumption that political party systems are detrimental to deliberation. A major obstacle to empirical testing of this and other theories about deliberation is found in the current state of empirical methods. Several methods have been tried, but none seem to be able to completely combine the demands needed for the conclusions to gain general acceptance. The Discourse Quality Index seems to be the most sophisticated and promising of such methods, but there are still a number of problems that should be addressed. <a href="http://polemarchus.net/files/2010/11/Deliberating-or-quarrelling-finished-thesis-Polemarchus.pdf">Read the entire thesis</a> (PDF)</p>
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		<title>Presidents and constitutions in Latin America</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sverre</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now that more information is available, it seems clear that calling the situation in Honduras a coup. Using the military to drive the president out and sending him into exile is hardly part of a legitimate judicial process. Steven Taylor had some good comments about that today. For that matter i recommend all his comments [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that more information is available, it seems clear that calling the situation in Honduras a coup. Using the military to drive the president out and sending him into exile is hardly part of a legitimate judicial process. Steven Taylor had <a href="http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=16291">some good comments </a>about that today. For that matter i recommend <a href="http://www.poliblogger.com/?cat=13">all his comments on the situation in Honduras</a>.</p>
<p>Even though the rest of the government obviously overstepped their bounds in ousting Zelaya in the manner they did, it still remains that the entire government wanted him gone, including his own party. Now, I don&#8217;t know much about politics in Honduras, but it all reeks of something. And looking at Latin American politics from the side, it does seem to reek of the same thing that has happened in several other countries in the region lately: That the executive branch gets in a position to keep changing the constitution and election laws to counteract the checks and balances of government, such as term limits.<span id="more-402"></span> BBC.co.uk has <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8126351.stm">made a good overview of such changes lately</a>. Correa&#8217;s done it in Equador, Morales in Bolivia, Chavez in Venezuela and Uribe is working on it in Colombia.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t seem strange that the parliament is getting jumpy about having too much power gathered on the hands of the president in Honduras as well. Not that this is an excuse, but you can&#8217;t have a proper democracy without at least a fair amount of stability to the rules of the game. And Latin America does have somewhat of a history of strong leaders abusing power. This overall trend doesn&#8217;t seem to be a good one, even though that leader might sometimes be a good guy seeing that the bad guys are sure to get into power once he has to step down. I do believe that the ends rarely justify the means in this case.</p>
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		<title>Fishkin vs. Hibbing &#8211; do people really want to decide?</title>
		<link>http://polemarchus.net/2008/12/04/fishkin-vs-hibbing/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sverre</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The following is part of the ongoing research for my master (graduate) thesis. &#8220;Society is like a ship, and everyone must be prepared to take the helm.&#8221; (Henrik Ibsen, An enemy of the people,my translation.) Those of us who hold deliberation (in any form) to be an important prerequisite for informed decision making, would also [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The following is part of the ongoing research for my master (graduate) thesis.</em></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Society is like a ship, and everyone must be prepared to take the helm.&#8221;<br />
(Henrik Ibsen, <em>An enemy of the people,</em>my translation.)</p></blockquote>
<p>Those of us who hold deliberation (in any form) to be an important prerequisite for informed decision making, would also be interested in the topic of how deliberative functions in society can be improved.</p>
<p>James Fishkin has been one of the most quoted political scientists concerned with the topic of deliberation. He&#8217;s a normative scientist, concerned with the benefits that can be reaped from encouraging more democratic debate throughout the population. He has proposed new democratic institutions, such as deliberative opinion polls, or more grandly the thought of a universal &#8220;Deliberation Day&#8221; (Ackerman &amp; Fishkin 2003). But both of these rest on one very important assumption, that  &#8220;[...]most citizens would be glad of the opportunity to play a serious role in important historical events&#8221; (Fishkin 1991:9). And this is an assumption Fishkin seems to take lightly. But is it realistic?<span id="more-201"></span></p>
<p>John R. Hibbing and Elizabeth Theiss-Morse  have done extensive research on what processes American voters actually want. And one of their conclusions is that &#8220;People want to turn political matters over to somebody else because they do not want to be involved themselves[...]&#8220;(Hibbing &amp; Theiss-Morse 2002:85). In general, people want &#8220;ordinary people&#8221; to have more of a say, but they themselves don&#8217;t wish to be involved, and prefer to be left alone (Hibbing &amp; Theiss-Morse 2002:129). They sum this up as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The last thing people want is to be more involved in political decision-making: They do not want to make political decisions themselves; they do not want to provide much input to those who are assigned to make these decisions; and they would rather not know the details of the decision-making process [...]This does not mean that people think no mechanism for government accountability is necessary; they just do not want the mechanism to come into play except in unusual circumstances&#8221; (Hibbing &amp; Theiss-Morse 2002:1-2)</p></blockquote>
<p>People are concerned that they might be taken advantage of by special interest groups and elected officials that reap personal gains at the expense of society. Subsequently they find support for more public involvement to be high when it is presented as the only option to rule by a self-centered elite. But that doesn&#8217;t mean they want to be continually involved. The ideal government is according to the common man one that governs with the best interest of society in mind, but that doesn&#8217;t require much involvement from its citizens &#8211; a non-self-serving elite (Hibbing &amp; Theiss-Morse 2002:130). Interestingly enough, Fishkin (1991:54-55) himself makes a similar point &#8211; that the public doesn&#8217;t seem to have a wish for participating as much as possible in democracy. He cites a survey that quite clearly shows that increases in direct majoritarian control through plebiscite actually seems to reduce the voter turnout and make the public less involved.</p>
<p>This is a challenge to theories of rational behaviour. Given that politics have an impact on our lives, why should we not want to decide as much as possible? One reason may be that we find our own impact on politics to be so little that it doesn&#8217;t justify our own involvement. Spending five hours in political processes won&#8217;t get us five hours&#8217; worth of more favourable outcomes for us personally. And politicians should be very bad indeed to justify in personal gain for you to give up a major part of the life you have chosen for yourself and go into politics full time.</p>
<p>This basic assumption seems to be something many political theorists forget to take into account. Most people are happy leaving decisions to a system they trust. And I believe the kind of systems Fishkin suggest presupposes a high level of trust that your opinions will be taken seriously.  If this is true, what we have to start looking at is how to improve trust in politicians and how to improve the deliberative processes inside the governments we already have.</p>
<p><strong>Sources</strong></p>
<p>Ackerman, Bruce, &amp; James S. Fishkin (2003) &#8220;Deliberation Day&#8221;. In James S. Fishkin &amp; Peter Laslett (Eds.), <em>Debating Deliberative Democracy</em>. Malden: Blackwell, 7-31</p>
<p>Fishkin, James S. (1991) <em>Democracy and Deliberation. New Directions for Democratic Reform</em>, New Haven: Yale University Press.</p>
<p>Hibbing, John R., &amp; Elizabeth Theiss-Morse (2002) <em>Stealth democracy: Americans&#8217; beliefs about how government should work</em>, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.</p>
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		<title>California: Tocqueville&#8217;s nightmare come true</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sverre</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the euphoria surrounding the presidential election, other events in American politics have been crowded out in media. A darker chapter in American history was written in the presumably liberal state of California. I haven&#8217;t heard many (at least outside the US) discuss this, except a few bloggers &#8211; among them the authors of one [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I<a href="http://polemarchus.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/gayrights.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-182" style="margin-left:4px;margin-right:4px" src="http://polemarchus.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/gayrights.jpg?w=300" alt="gayrights" width="300" height="241" /></a>n the euphoria surrounding the presidential election, other events in American politics have been crowded out in media. A darker chapter in American history was written in the presumably liberal state of California. I haven&#8217;t heard many (at least outside the US) discuss this, except a few bloggers &#8211; among them the authors of one of my favourite blogs, <a href="http://votingwhileintoxicated.wordpress.com/2008/11/11/why-democracy-is-bad/">Voting While Intoxicated</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m of course talking about the amendment to the Californian constitution to ban gay marriage, which was voted for together with the presidential election. For those who might not be familiar with the American political system, this is quite common &#8211; to include propositions to be voted on by the public together with any election. The infamous Proposition 8, named after its number on the ballot, <a href="http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns/props/59.htm" class="broken_link">got 52.1 percent of the vote</a>, more than the necessary simple majority for a new state constitution amendment. It reads as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p>SEC. 7.5. Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.</p></blockquote>
<p>As a strong supporter of gay rights, this has ruined some of my new found belief in America. But aside from my personal feelings, this is the kind of thing that would make influential political philosopher Alexis de Tocqueville turn in his grave.<span id="more-180"></span></p>
<p>A French aristocrat and scholar, he travelled the young USA studying their democracy with great admiration. In 1835 he published his most famous book, <em>Democracy in America</em> where he analyzed the political culture of this nation that according to him was the greatest example in his time of what government should be in the future.</p>
<p>Even as a liberal in 1835, I doubt Tocqueville was in favour of gay marriage. Why do I then claim that he would turn in his grave now? Because his greatest warning about democracy was what he called &#8220;the tyranny of the majority&#8221;, or the possibility of any small majority trampling the rights of a minority. For example a predominantly heterosexual majority of only 52.1 percent of voters removing a fundamental right for a homosexual minority. Not only refusing to allow new gay marriages, but even removing recognition of previously approved ones.</p>
<p>How could this happen? First of all, the American political systems allows new laws to be passed by plebiscite without approval of representative bodies. This is in itself rather uncommon in modern democracies. Secondly, the Californian constitution allows amendment by simple majority rather than the rather common 2/3 supermajority. Any faction of voters totalling more than 50% can decide almost anything they want.</p>
<p>An interesting fact is that Obama&#8217;s great success seems to have affected the result in favour of the proposition. As reported by <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gaymarriage6-2008nov06,0,2331815.story">LA Times</a>, there was great support for it in the black population, and Obama&#8217;s campaign made black people vote like never before.</p>
<p>Before I get side tracked too far, I&#8217;ll rein myself back in by concluding that although Tocqueville might not be too much in favour of gay rights, I&#8217;m sure he would &#8211; like me &#8211; be greatly concerned about this blatant display of tyranny by a pretty slim majority.</p>
<p>UPDATE: Some more posts on the topic of California&#8217;s Proposition 8</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>The beat in my head</strong>: &#8220;<a href="http://thebeatinmyhead.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/my-thoughts-on-prop-8/">My thoughts on Prop 8</a>&#8221; &#8211; some interesting thoughts on whether gay marriage really creates any victims, and a scary piece of propaganda</li>
<li><strong>Trust, but verify</strong>: &#8220;<a href="http://trustbutverify.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/california-to-uphold-the-will-of-the-people/">Will California uphold the will of the people</a>&#8221; &#8211; about the legal struggle for overturning the decision in court</li>
<li><strong>The reformed pastor: </strong>&#8220;<a href="http://reformedpastor.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/californians-to-vote-on-gay-marriage/">Californinans to vote on Gay Marriage</a>&#8221; &#8211; a word from the other side, considering the measures to prevent the voting on Proposition 8 &#8220;antidemocratic&#8221;</li>
<li><strong>Good as you: </strong>&#8220;<a href="http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2008/11/frc-why-arent-y.html">FRC: Why aren&#8217;t you being antidemocratic, court basher Arnold?</a>&#8221; &#8211; a word from the proposition 8 supporters and a counterargument.</li>
<li><strong>The kitchen table:</strong> &#8220;<a href="http://princetonprofs.blogspot.com/2008/11/black-folks-and-passage-of-prop-8.html" class="broken_link">Black folks and the passage of prop 8</a>&#8221; &#8211; a comment by Dr. Melissa Harris-Lacewell of Princeton University.</li>
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		<title>&#8220;A new political culture&#8221; &#8211; the solution to old problems?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sverre</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It's a lot easier to prove you're better than your opponent when you can show immediate results. If you focus on the long term and your opponent delievers results now, then he's sure to beat you at the upcoming election, and your brilliant long term plan wil be of little consequence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>President of the Norwegian Parliament (Stortinget), Thorbjørn Jagland, this week called for a &#8220;<a href="http://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/kronikker/article2591400.ece">New political culture</a>&#8221; in Norway in a feature article in the newspaper Aftenposten. He claims that the combination of media, opinion polls and opportunist politicians have displaced the political virtues of long term and larger view thinking. In his words political leaders have been made into characters in a play organized by media and opinion polls. Political leaders no longer show the leadership necessary to enforce policies that are too complex to be explained simply to the public.</p>
<p>His answer to these problems:</p>
<blockquote><p>Vi trenger en annen politisk kultur enn den mediene og mange andre har forsøkt å oppdra oss til i sommer. Vi trenger en styringsdyktig politisk kultur i stedet for en galluppreget politisk elite. Vi trenger politikere som også er i stand til å se inn i fremtiden og føre an. Hvis ikke kan en stadig økende kravmentalitet ødelegge for oss alle.</p></blockquote>
<p>My translation:</p>
<blockquote><p>We need a different political culture than the one the media and many others have tried to educate us about this summer. We need a political culture for leadership rather than a political elite dominated by opinion polls. We need politicians that are able to look into the future and take the lead. If not, an ever increasing mentality of demands will ruin things for us all.</p></blockquote>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a particularly novel point. Edmund Burke warned his constituency in Bristol about leaders who were nothing but slaves to public opinion <a href="http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch13s7.html" target="_blank">all the way back in 1774</a>. And in 1784, <a href="http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm" target="_blank">James Madison stated</a> that:</p>
<blockquote><p>Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. Nor, in many cases, can such an adjustment be made at all without taking into view indirect and remote considerations, which will rarely prevail over the immediate interest which one party may find in disregarding the rights of another or the good of the whole.</p></blockquote>
<p>It may be an old issue, but it&#8217;s an important one, and one that has become very visible in Norway over the last months. A series of cabinet ministers have come and gone &#8211; not because of their policies but because of media campaigns where they have been tricked into making blunders. Over the last few years, we have also seen the populist radical right grow bolder and more confident, gradually boosting the close combat fight over next week&#8217;s opinion polls.<span id="more-57"></span></p>
<p>The usual explanation is some sort of meaningless catchphrase about how media has transformed politics. It&#8217;s far too simple to blame it all on the media. It&#8217;s been going on since 1774, and most likely before. Media may have been a catalyst, though. Surely the pressure on Burke who had to correspond with his constituents by Royal Mail must have been a lot easier than the pressure on Thorbjørn Jagland who has TV reporters ready to have his response in the voters&#8217; living rooms in a couple of seconds.</p>
<p>So what can be done about it? If media is the catalyst (or according to some the main reason), can we somehow reform them and make them put a more responsible focus on the long term? At first thought this might make some people nod. But what if I refer to &#8216;media&#8217; by the term usually used in democracy theory: &#8216;the free press&#8217;. Making the press behave more responsibly sounds like what every dictatorship claims it&#8217;s doing. And it&#8217;s the same point Madison makes in the same <a href="http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm" target="_blank">1784 article</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>There are again two methods of removing the causes of faction: the one, by destroying the liberty which is essential to its existence&#8230; &#8230;It could never be more truly said than of the first remedy, that it was worse than the disease. Liberty is to faction what air is to fire, an aliment without which it instantly expires. But it could not be less folly to abolish liberty, which is essential to political life, because it nourishes faction, than it would be to wish the annihilation of air, which is essential to animal life, because it imparts to fire its destructive agency.</p></blockquote>
<p>When we&#8217;re building democracies, we praise them under the name &#8216;the free press&#8217;, when our democracies are in trouble we berate them under a different name. The media themselves, on the other hand, defend themselves as being mere reflections of society. I believe we have to look for a more substantial explanation than merely blaming them for democracy&#8217;s ailments. Curbing media&#8217;s freedom to write what they want when they want will be more dangerous than the problem we&#8217;re trying to cure.</p>
<p>So we&#8217;re back to Jagland&#8217;s call for a &#8220;new political culture&#8221;. What does that really mean?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at what the problem really is. As Burke said it, it will always be difficult to prioritize long term concerns over the immediate. The challenges of the present are apparent, the challenges of the future are uncertain at best. In mature democracies, the practical difference between the major political parties are rather minor and complex in nature. Those minor differences are much more easy to see in the well known short term than in the little known long term. Thus it&#8217;s a lot easier to prove you&#8217;re better than your opponent when you can show immediate results. If you focus on the long term and your opponent delievers results now, then he&#8217;s sure to beat you at the upcoming election, and your brilliant long term plan wil be of little consequence.</p>
<p>Political Economists call it a &#8216;chicken race&#8217; or a &#8216;hawk-dove game&#8217;. If both keep going, they&#8217;ll crash. In our case the future for either politician will be wildly unpredictible, and politicians in general will lose influence as voters grow frustrated by the lack of clear direction. The politician who backs down first will, however lose right away to the one that keeps going. If both turn away, in our case abandons short-sightedness, the future is less certain for either, but society is sure to gain some sort of consistent long term strategy. Society would be best off if both backed down, but politicians are at a so-called Nash equilibirum: Unless they can influence the behavior of the other it will be in their interest to continue.</p>
<p>So the only one who can find a way out is a politician who can, by his own actions, change the behavior of his opponents. The kind of great political leader that by force of his own personality can stake out a long term course and shrug off short term attacks. The kind of leader with a so strong vision of the future that whoever wants to compete with him (or her) must compete with that vision, not trying to trip (or Tripp?) him and push him aside over issues that&#8217;ll be minor and inconsequential in the long term. We certainly won&#8217;t find him among Norwegian politicians who for example fall from grace over issues of violating the rules for renting out a farm outhouse, or Americans who keep being dismissed for their personal indiscretions. Neither will we find him among leaders who manage to stay in power by trampling freedom of speech and other liberties.</p>
<p>Some say that the time of great leaders is gone. I sincerely hope they&#8217;re wrong&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Socrates on North Korea &#8211; the play.</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[Socrates] Thus we conclude that since their systems are inherently similar, and since The United States of America is considered a democratic republic, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea cannot be discarded as non-democratic on these grounds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first proper blog post is a piece that was written for a graduate class in democracy theory. The class was divided into two teams that were asked to defend or oppose a given statement. In the debate in question, my team&#8217;s assignment was to defend the North Korean state calling itself the &#8220;Democratic People&#8217;s Republic of Korea&#8221;. As points were awarded by our professor for creativity, I decided to be a bit original and write an opening argument as a play based on Plato&#8217;s <em>The Republic.</em><a href="http://polemarchus.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/northkorea.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-17  alignright" src="http://polemarchus.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/northkorea.jpg?w=300" alt="Condi, Kim-Il Sung and Socrates in debate." width="300" height="216" /></a></p>
<p>Defending North Korea as a democracy is of course ludicrous for any informed westerner. In fact I want to make it expressly clear to anyone that doesn&#8217;t see the irony that I do in no way whatsoever endorse what I consider the dictatorial and inhumane state of North Korea.</p>
<p>With this in mind we had to resort to rhetorical tricks and clouding the subject for any chance to win the debate on more technical terms. My tactic was therefore to start attacking the arguments I presumed the opposition would be making in an unexpected way, trying to discredit their sources.</p>
<p>The paper is loosely based on Plato&#8217;s style of writing, with the introduction slightly altered from the introduction of Plato&#8217;s<em> The Republic</em>. In this piece, Socrates &#8211; usually the main character in Plato&#8217;s dialogues &#8211; debates with a number of opponents on the subject of North Korea &#8211; among them John Stuart Mill, Montesquieu, Alexander Hamilton and Condoleezza Rice.<span id="more-11"></span></p>
<p>The complete text, fully referenced, can be read in the attached PDF file. A small exercept follows below:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#003366">[Socrates] And looking on their constitution, how do you find it with regard to political rights?</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
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<p><span style="color:#003366">Then rose Marsilio de Padua who had until this point sat silently watching in the corner.</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
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<p><span style="color:#003366">[Marsilio] The most important basis is of course that decisions must be made by the people as a whole, or a majority of it. I reference you to my most excellent work, if I may say so, </span><em><span style="color:#003366">Defender of the Peace</span></em><span style="color:#003366"> for proof of that. And universal suffrage is well rooted in the constitution of the Democratic People’s Republic .</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Condi] But it’s all a sham! They may have universal suffrage, but they can’t vote for anyone they like. There have to be pre-approved lists.</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Socrates] So you argue that in a democracy there should be no one to help the people choose, that ignorance is no excuse for imposing limits?</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Condi] Yes, exactly so.</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
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<p><span style="color:#003366">At this point John Stuart Mill tried to get a word in to the discussion.</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[J.S. Mill] I would deny that fact. As I pointed out in </span><em><span style="color:#003366">Considerations on representative government</span></em><span style="color:#003366">, “It is not useful, but hurtful, that the constitution of the country should declare ignorance to be entitled to as much political power as knowledge.” </span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Marsilio] I do not think the modern democrats we are discussing with here, Mr. Mill, would agree that you should let the knowledgeable have more direct influence. But, as I have stated, a body of wise men could indeed draw up the proposals, then: “After such standards have been set, they must be laid before the assembled whole body of citizens.”  That, I believe is just what the Democratic People’s Republic constituton prescribes. </span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
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<p><span style="color:#003366">[Condi] But that’s not very democratic for elections, is it?</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Socrates] And how was your own president elected, Miss Rice?</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Condi] He was elected by the people of America fair and square.</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Socrates] Did he have a complete majority of votes behind him, then?</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Condi] No, but he did have the majority of the electors, as ordained in the </span><em><span style="color:#003366">Constitution of the United States of America</span></em><span style="color:#003366">, article 2, section 1. </span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Socrates] And are those electors preapproved by anyone?</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Condi] Yes, by the political parties.</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Socrates] As I have learned from studying the works of Professor Ellis Katz , this does in fact amount to the people merely voting for a set of preapproved electorate college candidates?</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Condi] Yes, I suppose so.</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Socrates] And according to Katz  the most voters are even not aware that it is so, quite unlike in the Democratic People’s Republic where this is made clear. Do you disagree?</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Condi] No, I suppose not.</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Socrates] And why is it that such a system has been set in place?</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
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<p><span style="color:#003366">At this point, Alexander Hamilton jumped to his feet waving number 68 of </span><em><span style="color:#003366">The Federalist Papers</span></em><span style="color:#003366">, in which he presented an argument about this:</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Hamilton] When we drew up that constitution, we found “It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations.” </span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Socrates] So it appears that America also has a system in place, in which a body of knowledgeable men elect the leader on behalf of the people, and that whoever can be placed on this body of electors is preapproved by appropriate organizations, namely the two dominant political parties, both prescribing to a similar set of values, devoted to the idea of republican democracy?</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Condi] It appears so.</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Socrates] And in the words of Hamilton as well as Marsilio de Padua, it seems there are good reasons for this, does it not?</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Condi] Apparently</span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
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<p><span style="color:#003366">[Socrates] Even if the limits on free election in America seem to be similar to those of the Democratic People’s Republic, can we conclude that the United States of America is an undemocratic republic? What say you, Alexis de Toqueville, renowned as you are for your studies of democracy in America? </span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
</span><span style="color:#003366">[Tocqueville] I must admit that although I have been critical of many parts of the American political system, it was even as early as 1840 the best democracy around. And most importantly, we must not judge a society upon the workings of another, but seek out its own virtues. </span><span style="color:#003366"><br />
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<p><span style="color:#003366">[Socrates] Thus we conclude that since their systems are inherently similar, and since The United States of America is considered a democratic republic, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea cannot be discarded as non-democratic on these grounds.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>Read the entire paper in PDF format here: <a href="http://polemarchus.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/socrates-and-north-korea.pdf">The Democratic People&#8217;s Republic (PDF)</a></p>
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